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The issue that won’t go away: The viaduct divides mayoral candidates
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Larry Lange
PostGlobe transportation reporter
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Fair coverage?
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Mr. Lange I take issue with you classifying both McGinn and Campbell as similar candidates. I know it can be a thin line between progressive and fringe but these two are obviously on opposite sides of the spectrum and the public should draw no parallels between them. Both may not follow the pro-tunnel herd but McGinn is a talented politician and is using the tunnel to craft a strong message about the direction of this city's future; a message that many people have been waiting to hear. Campbell on the other hand sounds divisive and self-interested with regards to the tunnel. Her ideas are completely detached from the political sphere, let alone the rest of the Seattle community. Just to make it even more clear that these two candidates are anything but equal contenders, let's review the facts: Mike McGinn = Pro-surface/transit He has had high profile environmental experience in the Sierra Club and his own Seattle Great City Initiative where he showed great political management and organization helping to defeat RTID and passing the 2008 Parks Levy). He also has a commendable number of endorsements including many of the District Democrats, the Sierra Club, and the Friends of Seattle. To date he has raised almost $60,000 in campaign funds. He has been polling around 8%, tied with Mallahan and Donaldson, to Nickels 18% and polls suggest he could win in a head-to-head with the incumbent. Elizabeth Campbell - Pro-Viaduct While she has sat on many neighborhood and community boards she has shown no leadership accomplishments. She has no major endorsements to date and in fact the Muni League gave her a rating of "Not Qualified" (McGinn received "good"). She has yet to report any campaign finances and in polls she barely even registers. |
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JoshMahar
July 30, 2009
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No mention of seattle tax increase?
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Seems like an incomplete story without mentioning the big increases in taxes coming to pay for the tunnel. The I-5 solution doesn't require most of them. Also, key elements of the $4.24 billion funding plan are in disarray. The port says they won't pay $300 million in property taxes. The county wasn't given $190 million in new taxing authority to pay their share. The state's $400 million in tolls has always been very speculative since other routes won't be tolled, making that amount very speculative. Oh, and Seattle voters are against the $930 million Greg Nickels volunteered us for, plus cost overruns. |
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Chris
July 30, 2009
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Tsk, Tsk, How a-n-g-e-r-y are we about calling out the fake anti-tunnel candidate...
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Josh and company - truth hurts doesn't it - and here is some more about McGinn the fake anti-tunnel candidate, hoping to trick voters so that he can promote one of his nonsensical enviro agendas, "the surface option" - he's being called out for what he is: http://www.c4seattlemayor.com/CampbellStatement-7-29-09ReMis Furthermore, I've read enough of Grotefendt's and his WSDOT buddies' emails to know that he and them would say any number of things, including that they haven't the foggiest idea about what the cost of this alternative is - which is false - here is the letter that they would have everyone believe does not exist about the cost - nothing I made up, untouched and direct from WSDOT files: That's right - $425 Million for a structure that costs a fourth of the tunnel and does twice of what they claim the great "deep bored tunnel" will do: http://www.c4seattlemayor.com/WSDOTLinReviewofBridgeConstCos And as for more of Grotefendt's tripe about the scale - that's another one of those dishonest remarks that WSDOT has pumped out regularly throughout the whole Viaduct debate; I am just so curious, how can it be that a cable-stayed bridge Milau Viaduct that was three times as long and had to span a valley, hence was three times as high up in the air, as what would be built in Seattle has a pier footprint that is only some 36' square feet, versus 50' square feet that Grotefendt claims would be necessary in Seattle. WSDOT, the same people who are compromising the public's safety as we speak with their tunnel designs in order to meet the unrealistic $1.9 Billion tunnel budget they and the tunneling cartel championed in order to get a tunnel at all costs. In the end, McGinn's out of his depth with this and other Seattle issues. He reflects the status quo of Nickels who he hung out with not that long ago. He didn't become a populist overnight, McGinn's anti-tunnel stance shows he is cut from the same cloth as Nickels, willing to cynically manipulate the public in order to achieve his and his special interest's agenda. |
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Elizabeth Campbell
July 30, 2009
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Two Words for Elizabeth Campbell
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| Not Qualified (about the only rating the Muni League got correct). Now please take your fight against the "war on cars", your crazy cable-stayed bridge, your fight against low-income housing and your insanely long and confusing comments back to Magnolia; thank you. Oh yeah, you spell angry a-n-g-r-y. | |
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July 30, 2009
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The Facts Stand
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Tyler dear, "the only rating they got correct"? Sounds a little insane and crazy on your part. I had the intelligence to ask the campaign and the candidate what happened. Turns out the Muni League is a very political process and supporters as well as enemies are allowed to make their case for or against the candidate. I asked around and it turns out that it is true. Best way to a good rating is to be dialed in - It is no coincidence that Mallahan got an outstanding with the League - their chief is with T Mobile. I asked about the "angery" today and it was meant to be spelled that way to emphasize the prior writer's strident tone. I have voted for Elizabeth because she is the only candidate that takes a stand, that speaks out on behalf of a lot of people that have been thrown under the bus, including the homeless; so where you came up with her fighting low-income housing - you're uninformed - her fight was against 180 $800,000 market rate homes that the City was trying to build, not against the homeless who the City was using as pawns. I also have not seen you offering any solution that is as iconic and functional as the cable stayed bridge - please direct the rest of the readers to the site where your vision and solutions for Seattle are detailed. And save some of that outrage for WSDOT - unless you think that it is perfectly reasonable for government officials to lie to and sneak around the public. At least Elizabeth had the brains to find out the real story and expose it and WSDOT. We could use a few more people in elected office with the courage of their convictions! |
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Sharon Fields
July 30, 2009
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Please do not refer to me as dear, I am not your grandson
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| Couldn't agree more about the Muni League, total joke. Not looking for an "iconic" solution to replacing the viaduct, I'm looking for a cost-effective alternative that provides real mobility solutions and helps us deal with the problems of climate change, energy scarcity, declining revenue streams and a shaky economy - the exact solution that the SDOT + WSDOT stakeholder led process found to work the best: I-5 + Surface + Transit. Now is not the time in history to be making 75-100 year infrastructure investments to suport an auto-dependent lifestyle, that doesn't make sense for our environment, our national security or our government balance sheet. No outrage for WSDOT, they got rolled by big business and our elected leaders. Not uninformed about Ms. Campbell stand on the low-income housing issue, actually informed enough to know that our City pays for low-income housing by providing market rate housing, that way taxpayers don't have to fit the whole bill, genius. | |
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Tyler D.
July 30, 2009
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Iconic, Functional, and Fiscally Responsible are not mutually exclusive
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Tyler D, love the transportation-babble rundown; your post is a lot of banal commentary that says nothing, and is uninformed as the prior reader stated. WSDOT dummy is run by big business and our elected leaders - they carry their water - what, according to your logic it's okay for agencies to lie and mislead? The City does not provide market rate housing and that way taxpayers don't have to pay? You're still uninformed, I agree with Sharon - the City was trying to take property that was to become part of Discovery Park, it was not consistent with Discovery Park's plan - pretty simple, and a King County Superior Court judge agreed with that and shut the City's plans down. Ms. Campbell led that effort - so if she is so wrong then guess the judge was wrong also? She had the backbone to stand up to the City when other neighborhood groups turned tale and ran. I want someone like her advocating for me, not pseudo-intellectuals that offer nothing but the unproven and corny drivel about "mobility solutions" and the like. Go to her website www.yesviaduct.com - what does it say - a roadway that we can use, enjoy, and afford - pretty simple and if you can have all three for a billion or less - why would we do the tunnel or surface that cost more and have half the functionality of the present Alaskan Way corridor? |
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Stephen Farmer
July 31, 2009
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Any Viaduct solution need proven management expertise
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| What’s going to matter most to Seattle taxpayers is how well the construction project is managed. If it’s managed as atrociously as Nickels has managed his city departments, we’re in for huge cost overruns and disasters, no matter what option is built. Let the proven manager among the candidates run our city and build whatever option is decided on to replace the viaduct. Mallahan is the only one with his management background, who appears to be able to get our city back on track. | |
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